EP 272: Where Do I Even Start? A Brand New Listener's Roadmap

When life is overwhelming and your kid's behavior makes no sense — and feels like it's getting worse — even the best resources get hard to use. You're too dysregulated to sort through 270 episodes or an almost 300-page book to figure out where to start. Of course you are.

This episode breaks down why you freeze in the face of new information, or end up just begging someone to tell you what to do — plus a personal story about learning that the hard way, and the actual order to work through instead.

In this episode, you’ll learn

• Why "I don't even know where to start" is a regulation problem wearing a content problem's clothes
• Why more information stopped being the answer at a certain point, and what had to happen instead
• The exact order to work through first — and which of three free roadmaps actually matches where you are right now 

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• The Owl/Watchdog/Possum, Stress-Brain-Behavior, and Parent Regulation roadmaps → RobynGobbel.com/downloadroadmaps

Read the full transcript at: RobynGobbel.com/WhereDoIStart

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Transcript

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So when your kid's behavior is baffling and yours is too, sometimes, yeah. I go. Let's take a break from all the baboozle. Here on the baffling behavior. Y'all, I want you to imagine with me for a moment that it's late. And maybe in your real life, in this real moment, while you're listening to this podcast, it actually is really late. So then you don't have to imagine. But if it's not, really late, middle of the night, right now, while you're listening to me, just imagine that it is. Your kid is finally asleep. You're sitting on your bathroom floor, or maybe the couch, or maybe you're still in the car in the driveway because you haven't wanted to go inside yet. You've got your phone out, you've typed something into the search bar. Maybe it's something like, why does my kid? Or maybe it's just a string of words that don't hardly even make a sentence because you are just too tired to make a sentence. Somehow, you find me and my work. Maybe a friend sends you my way. Maybe a therapist or somebody else who's helping your family. Maybe it's a Facebook group at 1 a.m. And now you've got 12 tabs open, or maybe 15. You've got a podcast app full of episode titles that all sound like they could be the one that could help you, but you don't know which one. And you do not have anything tonight to guess wrong. And y'all, of course you don't. Of course, your already very overwhelmed nervous system starts to just freeze. There's just way too many potential doors to walk through. And your nervous system is going, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. And I'm not picking. It's too much. It's all too much, too much, too much. I want to help you with that too much sensation. But first, y'all, I want to welcome you, or maybe welcome you back to another episode of the Baffling Behavior Show. I'm Robin Gobel. This is a podcast where together, you and I, we make sense of your kids' biggest, most baffling behaviors because you are your kids' expert. And I know a lot about the neuroscience of behavior, why humans do what they do, and especially why they do what they do if they have a history of trauma or toxic stress or some other nervous system vulnerability. And if tonight, this week, this month, you are that person on the bathroom floor with 12 tabs open, then this episode's for you. The real you, the tired you, the one who just needs to know what to press play on next. So, y'all, that's where we're gonna start. My guess is that you do not have an information problem. There is information everywhere. You have to be on the internet for 0.5 seconds to get information. And if you stay for 0.5 more seconds, you'll get more information. And it probably contradicts the information you already got. There's plenty of information, and it's not terribly hard to access it. What that means is it's exceptionally unlikely that what you have is an information problem. And I know that that could feel wrong. There could be this sense of, I just don't know enough yet. I haven't found the right episode yet. I haven't found the right tool yet or the right piece of information yet. I haven't read the right thing yet. But my guess is, and I'm pretty darn sure I'm right, that it actually really truly isn't an information problem. What's happening almost certainly is that your own nervous system is just maxed out. It cannot take in any more information, no matter how great that information is. It doesn't matter how true it is, how much it would help you, how many other parents it's helped. And half the time, the information is wrong anyway, because there is no magic do this thing and everything will get better thing. It's all contextual. It's all based on about literally uh 11 million different things happening in that moment. I wish I could write you a is this your problem? Then do this guide. If I could write that and it would actually be helpful to you, I would absolutely 100% do it. But it doesn't work that way. It just doesn't work that way. So there's all this information, a lot of it's good. Some of it's relevant to you and your kid, some of it's not. But the reality is that if you're stuck in protection mode, right, if you're like constantly scanning yourself for like, am I safe? Are things okay? When is the next meltdown going to happen? What bad thing is gonna happen next? Right. If you're kind of like constantly bracing or your watchdog is like poised and ready to attack, or maybe you've actually gone the other way, you're kind of more flat or shut down, right? That possum part is starting to take over. The reality is that in those states in protection mode, your brain's not built to receive new information or new ideas. And you know this because you've been also trying it with your kid, right? You've been trying to give them new information or new ideas or teach them what to do or what to do different or what not to do anymore. But they're stuck in protection mode. And so all that information doesn't help them. Just like a lot of information actually isn't super helpful for you either. But I also know that when you're in protection mode, when you're in that, like, please help me, please help me, please help me state that a protection mode uh behavior, a protection mode behavior is give me more, give me more, give me more, tell me what to do, tell me what to do, tell me what to do, fix it, fix it, fix it, fix it. Right. So we've got 12 tabs open. And they're just there slowing down your device. And believe me, 12 tabs on my device would be uh that would be a miracle because sometimes I have 50 open. It drives my husband insane, right? There's all these tabs open. There's always the sense of like, but I don't know when I'm gonna need that, right? There's all these tabs open, but because there's so tabs open, so many tabs open, I'm not actually using any of them. So if you have a billion tabs open and you're not really using any of those tabs, my guess is that your nervous system already knows something that your to-do list is feeling a little slow to learn. And that it's you're already full. You cannot take in any more information. And that's actually probably why you keep all those tabs open, because you can't take it in right now. And you want it to be right there at your fingertips for the moment that you can take it in. Unfortunately, having 12 or 50 open tabs just sort of perpetuates this chronic state of overwhelm. That question of like, but where do I even start? It actually isn't a question about content. It's not a question about information. It's a question that's asking for regulation. And I think once we can kind of all see that, once we can just see how that frees, how that is our own nervous systems, like that's our own physiology doing exactly what it's supposed to do when there's too much coming too fast, right? When we can see that that question of, but where do I even start, or just tell me what to do? We can when we can see that that is actually a reach for please help me with more regulation. When we can see that and we can be with that truth, that we need more regulation, not more information, something actually tends to sort of loosen up a little bit. And that doesn't mean that your kids' behavior will change in that moment. Right. I mean, you still don't actually know anything more than you did a second ago. You still don't know what to do, right? In these moments. But when we can kind of shift and see that reach for a reach for regulation, not a reach for information, then that sense of freeze, it loosens up just a little bit. Right. The the nervous system shifts a little bit away from what's wrong with me, why don't I know what to do? Why can't I figure this out? And it shifts a little bit toward, oh, of course. Of course, this is what's happening. So, y'all, that's where we start. We're gonna start with that. And I also know that I know this freeze personally myself. Like I know this freeze from the inside out. It's really very fascinating to see how the helpers experience, those of us who support families like yours, support families of kids with vulnerable nervous systems, big baffling behaviors, it's always so fascinating just to me to see what we kind of call in like professional mumbo jumbo lingo, the the parallel process. That our experience helping families is so similar to the experience of families trying to help their kids. I have been the helper that was overwhelmed, reaching for a just tell me what to do. You know, I had 50 proverbial tabs open, but this was way before there was internet tabs, or at least way before I could find this sort of information actually on the internet. Now it's not hard. But a long time ago, I didn't have actual tabs open. I had like metaphorical tabs open everywhere, right? I was drowning myself in information because what I had been taught to do in the therapy room was a thousand percent not working. Y'all maybe have heard me say this before. If you've read my book, you've heard it in raising kids with big baffling behaviors. But I left work once as an outpatient therapist, not in an inpatient psychiatric hospital, but as an outpatient therapist, I left work once with a black eye. And I had been with a kid, a precious, wonderful, amazing, delightful, fantastic kid who wasn't being aggressive, wasn't trying to hurt me. But even if they were, that really wouldn't change this story, which is that instead of kind of seeing this kid and labeling them aggressive, what they were was like extremely dysregulated. And I didn't know what to do with their extreme dysregulation. I didn't know what to do to keep us all safe. I didn't know what to do not to escalate things further. And to be honest with you, I have zero idea what I even did. I think I tried to just like hang in there, right? There's a sensation of like just hanging out for dear life. Like, don't fall off this bus. And it wasn't working. I couldn't hang in there. And the next thing I know is my face is in the way of a dysregulated body. And yeah, I end up with a black eye. And I remember driving home being like, this can't be it. The training that I have, the years of training I have, the graduate degree, the clinical training that I had prior to being able to be allowed to be a therapist, none of that was helping me in these moments. I was not prepared to navigate what was happening in my little office, which is pretty ridiculous because I've only ever wanted to work with these specific kids, with these most dysregulated kids. And I think I had really good teachers who thought they were helping me know what to do. And I don't know, maybe I was just a really slow learner and just way too inexperienced. But my memory of that time period was really feeling like, oh no, nobody has told me what to do with these specific situations, with this level of dysregulation. Nobody has told me what to do. And honestly, I don't really remember having teachers, mentors who even acknowledge that this level of dysregulation was possible in an outpatient setting. I think we have this idea that when folks, when kids are that dysregulated, that there's some other magic solution for them. You know, they don't come to in outpatient psychotherapy because those kids are in residential treatment or day treatment or psychiatric inpatient. And holy moly, y'all, if I didn't learn right quick that that was preposterous, right? I'll do another episode about that, I guess, in the future. Right. There is, there is nothing else. And it is really easy to be an outpatient therapist and say, oh no, that behavior, that's not outpatient therapy level behavior. Sorry, best of luck to you. And then we've got families going, okay, great, but this other service that you told me my kid needs instead, it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist in my community. My insurance doesn't pay for it. But the bottom line is, y'all, for the most part, it actually doesn't even exist. It really just doesn't even exist. And we all just sort of pretend that it does. Like, oh, that behavior is so big. We can't help that behavior in outpatient therapy. So best of luck to you. Then we've got families who are like, well, that's nice in theory. Yeah, you're right. This level of intensity in my kid is bigger than what's appropriate for outpatient therapy, but there is nothing else. And y'all, that's what a lot of us therapists are feeling too. We're looking around, going, okay, yeah, you're right. This therapy, this child's intensity is too much for outpatient therapy, but uh there is nothing else. So it's me or it's nothing else. And telling me that this isn't outpatient level behavior isn't helpful. Please actually help me know what to do. All right, does that kind of parallel process feel real familiar to you? Yeah. So anyway, I left the office, black eye. I'm like, something cannot be right here. Something cannot be right here. And I didn't have the luxury of saying this child's behavior is too much for outpatient therapy. I'm gonna refer this child somewhere else. There was nowhere else to refer these kids to, whether it was this one or any other one. And that's why, in fact, they were coming to me. I was people's like, I don't know what to do with this kid. I'm gonna send them to Robin. And so I had to figure out what to do. Right. And I had to hang out kind of in this place of like, do I not have the training for this or am I just really bad at this job? Or some combination of both. And sure, the reality is there was probably a little bit of both. I was a young therapist, I didn't have a lot of great tools and supports, which really didn't actually make me bad. It just made me inexperienced. And was there some reality to that that I needed some more support and training and education and mentorship? Of course, I needed more. Of course, because I didn't have what I needed, I couldn't do the very best that I wanted to do. Right. But it really was just about this huge missing piece, right? I was being told things like set better boundaries or trust the process, which is not bad advice if you know what a boundary looks like on a kid whose nervous system is completely dregulated, right? But nobody had taught me what to do when we got there. Nobody had taught me what to do with my own body in the room when a kid's nervous system goes somewhere that I didn't have a name for yet. I'm not even sure we were using the word dysregulation back then. Right. Oh, also, let me tell you just a tiny little secret that if you don't know me in real life, you might be sort of surprised to learn that my nervous system's default stress response is actually to go possum. I collapse, I get overwhelmed, I give up, I kind of shrink. Except at work. At work, being overwhelmed pushes me into action. I have got a tenacity at work that I am starting to learn how to borrow in my regular life as well, so that I don't have such a default into collapse. And when I say I'm starting to learn that, I can say I'm starting to increase the safety inside my own nervous system so that I can reach towards like mobilization as a stress response instead of just collapse as a stress response. But at work, mobilization has always felt like a safe stress response. So, y'all, I mobilized and I sought information upon information after information upon information. And let me just spoil the story here and tell you it wasn't really more information that helped. Now, without question, there is always a lot to learn. And I continue to engage in a pretty uh intense level of learning. I am constantly learning and reading books and reading new peer-reviewed articles that are published. And there's in this field in particular, there is new information constantly coming to light and being published. And it's really important that as much as possible, I stay up on it. And so, yeah, like information is a thing. And I was approaching information with such an intense level of protection mode, not language I had back then, but it was like, tell me what to do, tell me what to do, fix this for me, fix this for me, help me be good so I can help people. And there was a desperation there as I was, you know, seeking that information that frankly then made the information not super helpful. I didn't just need more information. And the information I did need, I needed offered to me in a connection mode, energetic space. I needed offered, I needed it offered to me from mentors who felt confident, not confident that they knew everything. Actually, more like confidence in the reality that they didn't know everything, that there was a lot of room for not knowingness. There was a lot of space for uncertainty, uncertainty, and ambiguity as opposed to do it this way, do it that way. Because when this way and that way failed, ultimately the only story I could write from that was that clearly I was doing something wrong. So the confidence needed to be about I can be in this with you confidently, and we can be okay with the not knowing, with the inevitable, we're gonna get this wrong, and we're just gonna keep trying. I needed to be able to hit pause on taking in more information. I needed to have opportunities to practice just like being with what I had. I needed to be able to integrate everything. I needed to be able to take the time to be with what was being offered to me so it could kind of shift to a place where it lived in my heart and in my soul instead of just in my brain, so that I could trust myself and I could trust what would emerge from me inside these really, really, really hard moments, right? And then I had to be confident in the knowledge that I was going to get it wrong. I was gonna get it wrong a lot. And that wasn't just okay. That was just kind of a part of the process. And to expect anything else was sort of foolish, right? I had to know I was going to get it wrong, and I had to know that was a part of the process. And I had to keep going anyway. I had to find the confidence to be able to listen to my clients more than I was listening to the textbook or the protocol.

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I had to have the confidence to try something and see what happened and then adjust it and try again and see what happened next. And I needed mentors and colleagues who had been on the same road, had been just as scared and had been just as brave. I needed them to come with me, not tell me what to do. Really truly, the information wasn't the missing piece. I didn't need more information. I needed more co-regulation. I needed more support. I needed more presence from others. I needed more trust in myself. And I needed more trust in the people who were coming to me for help, that they were showing me exactly what they needed to be showing me, no matter how dysregulated it was. So when people ask me, parents, caregivers, other professionals, where do I even start? One of the things I think about is all those years ago, well, like 20 years ago now. And I think about leaving work with a black eye. And I think about all the mentors who didn't just try to give me everything and tell me exactly what to do and do it all at once. Right. They came alongside me and essentially said it's okay to be overwhelmed and not to know what to do next. And here is what, here's where I would go next if I was you. They gave me some structure. They gave me some co-regulation through that structure, which is one of the things that I work really hard to be able to do for you. I don't want to just hand you 270 podcast episodes and say, here, take all this. Or my 270-page, oh, that's interesting that they're about the same number. I never noticed that. Uh, you know, 270-page book book and say, here, read this, do this. Right. But what I want to offer you is some, you know, steps along the way. So it feels possible. It feels like something you actually could do. So I have a few places that you can go depending on how much capacity and regulation it feels like you have. I have my start here podcast. I've actually just recently changed up the start here podcast, tightened it up a little bit, shortened it up a little. So if you are already subscribed to the Start Here podcast, go check it out because it's a little different than it used to be. The Start Here podcast is its own podcast feed. It contains episodes from the baffling behavior show. They're not new episodes, but I took the six episodes that I wanted you to listen to first and that I wanted you to listen to in that order. And I put them in a podcast feed, a separate podcast feed. So all you have to do is go to that podcast feed and hit play. And the six episodes in the order I want you to hear them in are there for you. You don't have to do anything else. That's at robinggobel.com/slash start here. Okay. Six episodes. Listen to them in that order. Now, if even six episodes and navigating a podcast app, uh, the start here podcast takes a couple clicks in order to get it into your podcast app. If even that seems too much for you and too overwhelming, no problem. Then instead you're going to go to Robengobel.com/slash webinar. Okay. And there you can watch focus on the nervous system to change behavior, the webinar. And you can grab the ebook that goes along with it. This is where I kind of put the whole model into one hour-ish experience. Owls, watchdogs, possums, connection mode, protection mode. It's all there in just about an hour. And if you watch the webinar, it's got a lot of imagery that goes along with it as well. So that is a foundational low investment on your end. Place to start. Robindoble.com slash webinars. Right there. Just press play and watch it. If you have a little more capacity, you can check out my roadmaps. Okay. So like focus on the nervous system is just one webinar. You can watch it right on my website. The Star Here Podcast is six episodes. Like once you get it into your podcast app, you don't have to think, you just press play, you listen to the six. The roadmaps are a little bit bigger lift for you. So I have three roadmap PDFs. Okay, you can go download them for free. You don't have to sign up for anything. Just download them. Let the roadmap tell you where to go next. Some are podcast episodes, some are resources in my free resource hub. Both of those things are totally free. And I give you exactly where to go to get them. And some of the uh recommendations on the roadmap are master classes or workshops or workbooks that are inside the club. So that of course takes a little bit more than just one click. Joining the club, there's a small fee for the club, you know, which you might feel up to, you might feel not, but the roadmap makes room for all of that because there's plenty of free resources that you can find on the podcast or on my free resource webpage as well. So you really get to decide like where does my capacity feel, or where does it feel like I have capacity in this moment, right? For a one-hour webinar, for six podcast episodes, or for these PDFs that I'll have to do a little bit more of my own work to like find these resources and click on them. Okay, so whatever you feel like you have the capacity for, you can choose. And you can just start there. And let me tell you exactly what to do and where to go next. The three different roadmap options are uh, you know, where do I start if I really don't understand what's happening in the moment? I need to understand my kid's nervous system better. Okay, that's the Owl Watchdog Possum roadmap. And if you feel like you've got that mostly down, but you aren't sure why your kid is struggling the way that they're struggling, like what has contributed to their vulnerable nervous system, you might check out the stress, brain, and behavior roadmap. And it is important to kind of understand why there is some vulnerability in your unique child's nervous system, even though we could never be certain, it's a good idea to, you know, have some guesses or ideas about the why, because that helps us get some ideas about what could actually support our kid. Okay. And if it feels like maybe you actually do understand what's going on with your kid, like maybe you actually feel like you understand it a lot. But really, where the struggle is is more about your own nervous system and how quickly you have a watchdog or a possum brain reaction, then you might want to start with the parent regulation roadmap. Uh, these roadmaps came to be because whenever I teach or meet someone new, you know, they hear me talk for the first time. But of course, that first time doesn't solve all their problems. It's just the beginning. And so they ask me the same six words over and over and over again. Where do I even start? Okay, so that's where these different places to start have emerged from. The focus on the nervous system webinar, the start here podcast, or the roadmaps. And you get to choose which one do I feel like I have the capacity for? I'm not gonna tell you to listen to 200 podcast episodes this month. I mean, you won't do that. And even if you tried, you just burn out and the information wouldn't be useful anyway. You wouldn't even know how to sort through all of it and like know what was relevant. So just start where you can start, right? Re-listen, re-watch, go back and review things over and over and over again. Practice, implement, try something small with your actual kid, see what happens next. I mean, most likely what happens next isn't gonna be great, but you're gonna try and you're going to take information about what happens next and use that to be helpful for what you try next time. That's how I learned any of this, right? Like just being willing to be wrong and then trying again. So if you are on the metaphorical bathroom floor tonight, or maybe you're actually laying on the bathroom floor, right? You've got tabs open, you're overwhelmed. Let me just reassure you, you don't need all of those tabs. Let me help you know the one next thing to do. Let me help you choose the one thing to do next. Maybe it's a six-episode podcast series. Maybe it's just a one-hour webinar with an ebook. You don't even have to watch the webinar. Maybe you're ready for a little more depth and you want to check out those roadmaps. And also let me just point out that this, these roadmaps, the start here podcast, this is an example of co-regulation, structure, connection, clear instructions, removing the guestwork, making the what's gonna happen next thing clear. Strong leadership from someone that you trust, someone who can say, I am not perfect because I am not y'all. And I will not always get it right because I certainly will not. But I will keep helping you no matter what, no matter how much I get it wrong, I will keep showing up and I will keep trying to help you see where to go next. And when we get it wrong together, I will stay with you and we will all keep trying. And I offer you all that co-regulation so that you'll be able to offer that to your kid. And of course, if you want some company, you want some additional connection and co-regulation, you want to be in a room full of people doing this same slow circling back around kind of learning. Well, y'all, that's what the club does. And the club is full of hundreds of parents who are coming together and saying, I don't know where to go next. Please help me. And so there is certainly a lot of information, and there is a lot of ways that we can titrate the information for you. And we have like these concierge calls. You can come and you can say, I'm really struggling with my kids, really intense verbal aggression. I don't know where to go next. And we can say, Well, based on what you're telling me, I would try this, this, this, and this. And we can really help you with all of that, but way more than even that, because information is great, but information without connection, co-regulation, presence, it's not super useful. So if that feels like what you need in order to be able to really move forward in this experience that you're having with your family, just kind of keep one of the tabs open at the club. Notice when we're gonna open up next and come and check us out. The club is no commitment. You can always join just months, months, months. So, I mean, what do you have to lose? You can come, you can stay just one month. You can get as much information as you want in one month and leave. You can come in and say, ah, this isn't for me and leave, or you can come in and say, Wow, this is what I've been waiting for. This is what I've been waiting for. And I'm gonna stay for a while because I know I need to titrate this information. If I try to take it in too quickly, it's not gonna be super helpful to me anyway. So you get to have so many different kinds of experiences in the club. Again, because there's just no long-term connection. So go open the club on one of those tabs, robin robingobel.com slash the club. And if we're not open, then you can put yourself on the waiting list and we'll let you know when we do open next. Alrighty, y'all. I really want you to go easy on yourselves this week. Right? You're doing what you can. And you've come here for support. And I am eager and privileged and honored to be able to give you that support, to give you a bit of a roadmap to say, here, start here. Do this first. Don't try to do it all. Start here. You can, if you're in your podcast app right now, you can look at the show notes and links to the Start Here podcast, the Focus on the Nervous System webinar, and then the downloadable PDF roadmaps. All of that's in the show notes. You can also head over to my website, which, by the way, the week that this episode airs, my website is brand new. It's been completely redone, reorganized. It's beautiful, it's easy to navigate. Go to Robengoble.com slash where do I start? And you'll find a clickable link to the Start Here podcast, a clickable link to the folks on the nervous system webinar, and a clickable link to download those roadmaps that are PDFs. So I can just walk you through step by step where do you start? So that's RobinGlobal.com slash where do I start? And while you're there, just poke around the website. We are running a scavenger hunt on the website right now. So if you're hearing this episode, the week that the episode releases, you can go and check out the scavenger hunt on my website and enter to win some prizes. So there's no reason not to go to my website, click around, look for the scavenger hunt clues and scavenger hunt informations over on my website as well. Plus, get all the things that I've talked about right on this web uh. Okay. Robingobel.com is my website. And to go to this show's page, robingobel.com slash where do I start. And y'all, I'll be back with you again next week on another episode of the Baffling Behavior Show. Bye now.